03 September 2023

The Banana Equivalent Dose

This post was originally published on the blog way back in 2011, shortly after the Great East Japan Earthquake and Tsunami, and the resulting problems at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant. I had to make the ancient history of the blog private, because the trolls were going thru it post by post and reporting every link that had been commandeered by spammers to Google. I did try to go thru the old posts, and eliminate links, but there are 1000s of them. It may be a project for this winter. And next winter. And maybe the year after that! (I can't fight against the trolls if they weaponize Google against me. Not in a day, anyway.)

So I re-post this here, because "OMG!!! Radiation!!!" is once again a thing.

And yes, I know that REMS have been mostly replaced by Sieverts for biological exposure to radiation. Anyone who was going to complain, is free to do the math, and post the conversion in the comments. If you don't want to do that, you can go soak your head.


I keep forgetting that people have no idea regarding radiation.

Once upon a time, a long time ago, in a land not too far away, I worked for the Department of Energy in a building where several of the rooms were so radioactive you couldn't enter, and my job involved handling radioactive isotopes for use in various experiments. Mostly they where stored in lead boxes, but I had to take them out of the boxes, put them in the experimental apparatus, run the experiments and put them away. I was exposed to detectable but not dangerous levels of radiation. Radiation wasn't the biggest danger in that building, as it contained a tower of pressurized carbon tetrafluoride, (a cousin of carbon tetrachloride that used to be a cleaning solution - only nastier). We didn't hold radiation drills - though there were alarms. We did hold drills on what to do if the carbon tetrafluoride containment failed.

But I digress. Suffice it to say that I know a little bit about radiation and radiation hazards.

Radiation is usually measured in Roentgen Equivalent Man units or rems. There are other measurements, and you can invent your own, so someone came up with the Banana Equivalent Dose.

Here is fact number one. You are exposed to radiation every single day. There is always radiation around you, and there always has been. Get over being afraid of radiation. Too much radiation will kill you, but even if you go live in a fallout shelter, you can't get away from all of it.

Fact 2. Your food is radioactive. Almost all of it. Always has been.

We can detect the (ridiculously small amount of) excess radiation in bananas. (They can set off the radiation detectors at the ports where they are imported.) They are slightly more radioactive than the average bit of food, because they are high in potassium - which is good for you and why we eat bananas. But it means they contain some radioactive potassium. (Very little - but in measurable amounts.)

One thousand banana-equivalent-does of radiation (or the radiation you would ingest if you ate 1000 bananas in a VERY short time, like a few hours) has the same effect on your health as smoking something less than 2 cigarettes. Or in more mathematical terms 1 BED = 0.01 mrem or 0.00001 rem. Doses of radiation of more than 50 rem but less than 200 rem (or much more than your average banana) will make you sick but rarely kill unless there are other issues. Doses in excess of 1000 rem are fatal. (Between 200 and 1000 you will be very sick, and the higher the dose, the worse off you will be.)

Other foods with "excess" radiation include nuts (and peanut butter), sunflower seeds, etc. Brazil nuts are particularly radioactive.

But now that you know this DON'T stop eating the bananas. Or the nuts. They are good for you. Just don't follow the fear mongers when they try to start the next crazy parade.

(Note: OK the banana equivalent dose isn't a really good method for talking about radiation and its hazards. But neither is the insanity you see on the 24-hour news coverage. NPR "news" was actually discussing the Godzilla movies yesterday. I nearly crashed my car. Godzilla? Really? There isn't anything more informative to be talking about like the new war - or is it a police action - in Libya, the state of the economy or the efforts of folks like the Red Cross to do something besides spread fear.)

6 comments:

  1. For an explanation/comparison of the radiation coming out of Fukushima Daiichi, see xkcd: radiation. You should also remember that no one died from radiation at Fukushima Daiichi. No one.

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    1. Stanford News lists fatalities from the Fukushima accident at 19,000. The BBC lists them at 18.500. In truth it's not possible to know who died from the accident versus who would have died if it had not happened because it's very difficult to make a direct correlation between unknown amounts of exposure and the development of disease later. In addition 28 emergency workers, plant operators and firemen were exposed to radiation levels high enough to cause acute radiation sickness and died in the subsequent weeks.

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  2. The issue of radiation is a bit more complicated than just a basic number measured in either REM/MilliREM or SIeverts/MillisSieverts....the two accepted units of dosage. There are TYPES of radiation, particulate and EM radiation. Meaning Alpha/Beta/Neutron which are particulate and Gamma/X ray which are EM. There is also the energy level measured in KeV or MeV. And there is the issue of manner of exposure with ingestion of particulates being the most dangerous healthwise. But yes...the vast majority of "radiation" being screamed about by the media is NOT an issue most people need ever worry about under normal circumstances.

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    1. I'm glad you're here to explain all of this. I might have left something out in a blog post which is actually not the notes to a physics class.

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  3. Another Godzilla would be awesome.

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